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Souhir Hammami

Jan 6, 2018
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Dear Fred, 

The proposal is nicely written, but you did not mention what this technology is and how it will function and from which concept has been inspired. 

I suggest adding the technology description as mentioned  on your website  and to develop more about the challenges that you imagine this technology may face apart from financial issues 

Good Luck ,


Fred Ball

Jan 8, 2018
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Dear Souhir: 

The technology is based on a newly discovered aspect of physics; that is the ability to convert a portion of the effects of centrifugal force (g-force) into kinetic motion. In an experiment we demonstrated that under 1G conditions the technology converted g-force into kinetic motion; whereas a cart accelerated at a greater rate and rolled a little further than the same cart with the technology inactive. The mathematics used to predict this experimental result indicate that when our technology is under multiple g-force conditions the conversion is increased at a geometric rate.

After funding, our plan is to computer model an advanced experiment to determine the design features and material selection that will maximize the result under multiple g-force conditions. Then we will computer model the entire generator, configured to achieve high efficiency while delivering the desired conditions to maximize the conversion of the effects of g-force into kinetic motion.

We do not know the ideal design, materials to used in various systems, ideal operating parameters, life expectancy of the unit. We do not yet have any of the software that operate the device.

Technology

Our device relies on two variable, computer controlled sources of energy to operate: 1. Stored renewable energy from a battery and 2. The conversion of g-force directly into kinetic motion. The quantities from each source is varied by a computer depending on the load demand and conditions inside the device.

A. A majority of conventional electricity generation systems burn a fuel to create kinetic motion from which electricity can be generated. Our technology also relies on kinetic motion but we use electricity as our “fuel” to create kinetic motion, not via a conventional motor, instead we will use a repulsive magnetic drive system, driving from the outside-in using less energy and less heat while providing a mechanical advantage.

Note: Whenever heat or energy is conserved in a process, more energy is available to do the work of the device.

B. Our device has multiple generator (masses) that roll within a containment in a nearly frictionless environment via air bearings and maglev technologies. At start-up and low RPM, 100% of the energy required to create kinetic motion will come from the battery.

C. As the device increases in RPM, the rolling generators will be subjected to increased levels of the effects of centrifugal force. When RPMs are doubled, g-force is quadrupled and conventionally it requires quadruple the energy to double the RPM’s. With our design it is possible to double the RPM’s to get quadruple the g-force but only expend double the energy.

D. As the device approaches optimal RPM a proprietary design aspect inside each rolling generator converts a small portion of the effects of centrifugal force directly into kinetic motion. This is accomplished by the continuous redirection of the angle of the effects of centrifugal force, slightly forward of the 90 degree perpendicular in the direction that the wheel is rolling. The effects of g-force are now adding to the overall kinetic motion of the device.

As RPMs increase, g-force increases and more and more of the kinetic motion (that is the turning of the device) will come from g-force. As more and more energy enters the system, in order to maintain a given RPM, the computer will stabilize the amount of overall kinetic motion by reducing the quantity coming from the battery. Then, a given RPM is maintained while a high value of torque is created.

E. At optimal RPM the generator will be creating 30kW continuous while kinetic motion from the battery’s input is reduced down to 5%, 90% of the kinetic motion will come from the conversion of g-force and 5% is lost. The system has a balanced conservation of energy equation as 5% + 90% + 5% = 100%

Energy was neither created or destroyed. What evaluators need to understand is that this is a brand new process that has been previously undocumented. Nobody else in the world knows how to covert the effects of centrifugal force into kinetic motion and therefore is omitted from anyone else’s conservation of energy calculation.

Note: Our technology uses more energy than is created; (31.5kw of energy is used to create 30kw of output.) Our process is not perpetual motion as an outside energy source is always required, it is not getting something for nothing; as it is getting something from somewhere new. It does not violate any laws of physics; only works differently than conventional wisdom says it has to. We have proven this aspect through scientific experiment. We have designed a low-friction, ultra high efficiency mechanical device to take advantage of this new aspect of physics; conversion of the effects of g-force into kinetic motion and have provisionally patented the overall design.

The device will be far superior to existing conventional energy generation and existing renewables because energy drawn off a battery for heating, cooling etc... is not drawn off at 100% like all other technologies, instead when our technology is used it is reduces draw off the battery to as low as 5%, enabling the generator to operate far longer without any environmental impact.

Several aspects make this technology possible, including:

1. Ultra high efficient creation of kinetic motion

2. Low friction environment; low heat

3. Use of mechanical advantage

4. Use of high speed computers and sensors to vary, control the input sources

5. New, proprietary ability to instantaneous convert the effects of g-force into kinetic motion


Sarah Green

Feb 6, 2018
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This is a classic perpetual motion scheme. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion and http://www.lockhaven.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm for discussion of these types of devices.

Terms like "nearly frictionless," maglev technologies, centrifugal force, repulsive magnetic drive, and "new physics" are typical of perpetual motion claims. Likewise, insisting that the machine does not violate the laws of thermodynamics is common. As an example, this company's webpage claims "our process is not thermodynamic and therefore the law [of thermodynamics] is not completely applicable."  There is no such thing as a process that "is not thermodynamic." 

Also common is the lack of an actual working prototype and opaque descriptions of the technology. Inventors usually tout their patent application. However, a patent application is not the same as a patent granted. 

In any case, what is the use of a machine designed to "use 31.5kW of energy to produce 30kW of output"? 


Fred Ball

Feb 18, 2018
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Dr. Green: Your conclusion is false, our tech proposal is neither perpetual motion nor a scheme.

Using definitions of perpetual motion, our tech does fit into any of the definitions:

PM of 1st kind: our technology does not claim to produce work without input. The input in our technology is very two specific computer controlled sources… energy from a battery and the new ability to convert the effects of centrifugal force into kinetic motion.

PM of 2nd kind: We do not claim to spontaneously convert thermal energy into mechanical work. In fact our claim is that there is a very minimal thermal component.

PM of 3rd kind: Low friction to use mass inertia to maintain motion forever. We do not claim to be using mass inertia as the key aspect. Lots of devices are low friction, this does not make them perpetual motion.

Perpetual motion machines must also operate within a closed system… ie no input from the outside. Our claim is that our tech always requires input from outside the system. (battery)

Characteristics of perpetual motion are NOT used in our technology… many people reach the wrong conclusion because our tech is so much more efficient than most other mechanical devices and utilizes a new source of energy, that they themselves don’t (yet) understand.

Terms like "nearly frictionless," maglev technologies, centrifugal force, repulsive magnetic drive, and "new physics" are typical of perpetual motion claims.

OK, so what? These terms are also typical in technologies that use these components such as the Maglev train that operates from Shanghai Pudong airport to downtown Shanghai. … using similar terms proves nothing other than our tech also uses theses technologies.

Likewise, insisting that the machine does not violate the laws of thermodynamics is common.

It is common to defend against these claims because it is common for people to falsely believe it is violation of the laws. Your car does not violate the laws of thermodynamics either… but according to this logic if a car manufacturer said their car did not violate the laws of thermodynamics then you would conclude that the car manufacturer is lying or proposing perpetual motion? No, that's faulty logic. Simply answering your presumption before you make it, is because we have done enough presentations to know what your objections would be… having experience in making presentations does not prove there is a violation. What specific law of thermodynamics do you claim we are in violation of? The thing is, given a fair chance, we can prove the viability of this technology to anyone.

As an example, this company's webpage claims "our process is not thermodynamic and therefore the law [of thermodynamics] is not completely applicable." There is no such thing as a process that "is not thermodynamic."

The classic definition of thermodynamics was written to explain the relationship of energy transfer with steam engines. In steam engines the laws of thermodynamics presumes heat or changes in pressure is used in the conversion to do work. Each of the laws of thermodynamics assumes certain binding criteria for the law to fully apply. The reason these laws have certain and specific criteria is because if a certain process falls outside the criteria, the law may not completely apply. It is this way with all scientific laws. Our tech is not using heat or changes in pressure to create work, it is a new process that is not yet named and is undocumented.

Here are the 4 basic laws of thermodynamics… please explain how any of these laws fully apply to a process that does not use heat? The laws of conservation of energy are also not violated. (as explained in our proposal)

(Wikipedia) 

Zeroth law of thermodynamics: If two systems are in thermal equilibrium with a third system, they are in thermal equilibrium with each other. This law helps define the concept of temperature. In our technology heat is NOT a contributory component, this is why this law is not fully applicable.

First law of thermodynamics: When energy passes, as work, as heat, or with matter, into or out from a system, the system's internal energy changes in accord with the law of conservation of energy. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the first kind (machines that produce work with no energy input) are impossible. True, but again, heat is not a part of technology and we use energy input to produce work… from two sources: battery and the conversion of the effects of centrifugal force into kinetic motion.

Second law of thermodynamics: In a natural thermodynamic process, the sum of the entropies of the interacting thermodynamic systems increases. Equivalently, perpetual motion machines of the second kind (machines that spontaneously convert thermal energy into mechanical work) are impossible.

We are not converting heat into anything… therefore this law not fully applicable.

Third law of thermodynamics: The entropy of a system approaches a constant value as the temperature approaches absolute zero.[2] With the exception of non-crystalline solids (glasses) the entropy of a system at absolute zero is typically close to zero, and is equal to the natural logarithm of the product of the quantum ground states.

Our technology does not use heat, the law is valid but it is not fully applicable to what we are doing.

The only laws of thermodynamics that apply to our technology are those dealing with electrical energy and motion. Heat is NOT a key aspect in our process, and as a majority of the laws of thermodynamics deal with heat, therefore they are NOT fully applicable. Please explain how they are fully applicable?

Also common is the lack of an actual working prototype and opaque descriptions of the technology.

The reason we entered this contest is to afford us the opportunity to get the exposure, to meet a partner who will work with us to computer model a fully functional prototype and operate it under computer simulation. Opaque descriptions are about all we can disclose without a non-disclosure agreement being executed. We are ready, willing and able to explain the technology to the right people, offline.

Inventors usually tout their patent application. However, a patent application is not the same as a patent granted.

True, but the lack of a final patent though is not proof of anything, especially anything sinister. The reason final patents have not been applied for yet and therefore wouldn’t be granted is because during the computer modeling process, designs and materials will likely change. The device will require dozens of patents, in multiple jurisdictions, which is an expensive proposition. The provisional patent will protect the IP while we refine the product. Not filing keeps the technology unknown to competitors for a longer time period as patents filings are public. Our patent strategy is on purpose, it is proof that the tech would not work.

In any case, what is the use of a machine designed to "use 31.5kW of energy to produce 30kW of output"?

Really?

Using 100 units of energy as the example

Your gasoline car uses 80 units of energy to produce 20 units of work (20% efficient)

Coal Power: Uses 63 units to produce 37 (37% efficient)

Natural Gas: Uses 50 to produce 50 (50% efficient)

Nuclear: Uses 67 to produce 33 (33%)

Fuel Cell: Uses 50 to produce 50 (50%)

Solar: Reflects 78 to produce 23 (23%)

Hydro electric: produces 93 units (93%)

Our claim of using 31.5kW to produce 30kW and that is 95% efficient, and that is incredible!! all but 5% is converted to work… this ratio is slightly better than hydro electric. Our tech will work better than hydroelectric without the need for water, dams and is portable anywhere on Earth. The fact that we use more energy to produce less is also why our technology is not perpetual motion. What confuses people is that we have discovered something new, a new source of energy… something that has never been used in any other technology, anywhere, anytime.. the ability to convert the effects of g-force into kinetic motion.

Skepticism is fine, we just ask that we judged by open-minded critical thinkers… think different, think outside the thermodynamics box.


Sarah Green

Feb 27, 2018
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Thermodynamics is the branch of physical science that deals with the relations between heat and other forms of energy (such as mechanical, electrical, or chemical energy), and, by extension, of the relationships between all forms of energy.  New Oxford American Dictionary


Sarah Green

Feb 28, 2018
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Consider a car that uses 10 kWh of energy to drive 2.5 miles (e.g. Chevy Bolt).

You are arguing that the car will use only 5% of the energy, 0.05 kWh, to go the same distance. You are not modifying the car; it still requires 10 kWh to move. Instead you are inserting a device with many moving parts, all generating friction, between the battery and the car. So, where is the extra 9.95 kWh of energy coming from? 

A well-balanced, low friction rotating wheel can store energy (see flywheels). However, it cannot make energy from nowhere. That is an obvious violation of the first law of thermodynamics: conservation of energy. 

You are mistaken that thermodynamic laws only apply when heat is transferred. These laws govern all energy-related processes. 

"The device will be far superior to existing conventional energy generation and existing renewables because energy drawn off a battery for heating, cooling etc... is not drawn off at 100% like all other technologies, instead when our technology is used it is reduces draw off the battery to as low as 5%, enabling the generator to operate far longer without any environmental impact."


Fred Ball

Mar 5, 2018
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Thank you for responding. 

Consider a car that uses 10 kWh of energy to drive 2.5 miles (e.g. Chevy Bolt). You are arguing that the car will use only 5% of the energy, 0.05 kWh, to go the same distance.

No, the car will still require 10kWh of energy drive 2.5 miles, but INSTEAD of drawing 100% of the 10kWh directly from the battery, with our design installed 5% of the 10kWh will be drawn off the battery, 90% will come from the result of the conversion of the effects of g-force into kinetic motion and 5% is lost.

You are not modifying the car; it still requires 10 kWh to move.

Yes.

Instead you are inserting a device with many moving parts, all generating friction, between the battery and the car.

Yes, the generator will go between the cars battery and the drive motor or will have its own battery for operation (TBD). “Many moving parts” is not true, the device has minimal moving parts that create friction, the device will either float on magnetic bearings or air bearings.

So, where is the extra 9.95 kWh of energy coming from?

The additional energy comes from the new ability to convert the effects of g-force into kinetic motion.

A well-balanced, low friction rotating wheel can store energy (see flywheels). However, it cannot make energy from nowhere.

You are correct, a flywheel takes advantage of mass inertia and energy cannot be created out of nowhere. Our device is not a simple flywheel, although obviously there is mass inertia involved, but it is not the key aspect. Energy can be created from the NEW process of converting the effects of g-force into kinetic motion. Other than our mathematics and experimental verification there are no other studies or data on this subject. We are the only ones (so far) who know how to do it.

That is an obvious violation of the first law of thermodynamics: conservation of energy.

The conservation of energy principle defined by the first law of thermodynamics says that when all of the fuel's energy is released in a process it doesn't disappear. The total quantity of energy stays the same and must be accounted for.

FOSSIL FUEL GENERATORS: In the case of the fossil fuel generator (illustration shown below) the fuel's energy is released by burning it in the engine's cylinders... it doesn't disappear, it either becomes thermal energy (heat) or mechanical energy (work).

For every 100 units of fuel energy that is burned in the engine a hundred units of converted energy has to end up somewhere. It doesn't disappear. The total mechanical and thermal energy (heat) must equal the energy available in the input (or 100%.)

Conservation of Energy Equation: In the fossil fuel generator 36% of the available energy is lost to radiator heat, 38% is lost to exhaust heat and 6% to friction and other losses, 20% is available as the output. 36 + 38 + 6 + 20 = 100. The system is balanced at 100%.

Fact: In conventional motors or generators, they operate from a central point and turn the perimeter providing a mechanical disadvantage. (ie operating with mechanical disadvantage by nature requires more energy, operating with a mechanical advantage (lever) requires less energy but requires more distance.) Covering this greater distance is not an issue and is another advantage of the circular design of the system.

The energy within the P6G system must also be balanced, and is why it conforms to the laws of conservation of energy. However, it utilizes a new method with an internal input component that must be included in the input calculation. This process is brand new and does not exist in any other technology anywhere. No other technology we know of requires the consideration of an internal energy input component as the P6G does. Just because an internal energy component is not required or considered in conventional heat to kinetic motion energy processes, doesn’t mean it can simply be discounted in ours. As there are few or no other systems with this internal component, you find very little data or discussion involving it.

Conservation of Energy Equation: At RPM, our system will use 5% from the battery, 90% from the reactive effects of centrifugal force and 5% will be lost. 5 + 90 + 5 = 100. The system is balanced at 100%.
If you remove the internal energy component from the calculation, then yes, the device appears to be violation. However, we have the mathematics and experimental verification to prove this internal component exists and therefore it can’t be discounted in the conservation of energy calculation.

You are mistaken that thermodynamic laws only apply when heat is transferred. These laws govern all energy-related processes.

The portions of the law(s) that specifically discuss heat transfer processes don’t apply to processes that don’t involve heat transfer. The parts of the law(s) that discuss other energy related processes do apply. That is why we say the laws of thermodynamics “don’t fully” apply.

Our concept for the mechanical design of this technology is based on the principle that the effects of g-force can be converted into kinetic motion. We have already proven this phenomenon exists both mathematically and thru experimental result, however only under 1G (normal Earth gravity). We have a proposed that the design element be computer modeled so that it can be subjected to simulated multiple g-force conditions, at a relatively lower cost, and in a relatively shorter timeframe versus milling and grinding actually physical components. The mathematical prediction is that the process will increase at a geometric rate under multiple g-force conditions. Based on these mathematics, we have conceived a design that creates the conditions to take advantage of the phenomenon using an efficient method. Is it the only method? Probably not, but based on our teams experience in designing and building mechanical devices, it is a design that will work.

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