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Michal Monit

Sep 10, 2017
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Hi Daniel, 

Have you tried publishing the results of your study or open-sourcing parts of your model? I'd be super curious to see how your results and assumption differ from what's currently out there.


Betsy Agar

Sep 10, 2017
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I am in full support of factoring all of the externalities into costing energy sources, and appreciate the extent to which you have developed this model. It is particularly useful if you can apply it to all countries. I wonder if a first step might be to audit a range of representative countries so you can show a common measure of what they are "spending" on energy. You could develop an GNP-like metric to help provide comparisons across countries. This preliminary look at energy expenditures could prove to be a powerful indicator of which countries will come out on top by 2050, for example.

You will face challenges with the LCA analysis as the level of detail is always put to debate, so I am wondering whether you have a universally accepted standard for what is and is not included, which wouldn't be challenged.

I think you should pair up with Mark Jacobson at The Solutions Project. He is a researcher at Standford who is methodically mapping the 100% RE mix that is feasible for every country around the world. Imagine how powerful that could be if paired with an economic assessment of the transition!


Daniel Howard

Nov 1, 2017
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Hi Betsy, great suggestions, thank you.

An energy audit for a range of representative countries is an excellent idea.  During my fellowship at the EPA Office of Air Quality Standards and Planning, I started discussions with the EPA EnviroAtlas (https://www.epa.gov/enviroatlas) team to run my model for each state, and then publish a GIS layer that outlines the retail cost of electricity in each state, and the environmental and health externality costs in each state, with the external costs broken down by how much each energy source (coal, oil, gas, hydro, solar etc...) contributes.  Doing this at the country level is a terrific idea, and I have contacts in a number of countries that could provide the data.

With LCA, I use the ReCiPe 2008 method because it is the latest and most widely accepted method.  This provides consistency across all of the analysis.

I interviewed Mark Jacobson when I first started developing my model.  It's actually a perfect partnership, because Mark's model is spatially resolved but not temporally resolved, and my model is temporally resolved but not spatially resolved.  Mark's modeling does not consider LCA either, which my model shows is actually quite significant with high penetrations of renewables.  Great suggestion to partner with him!


Daniel Howard

Nov 1, 2017
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Hi Michal,

I haven't published results yet!  I have been in talks with the EPA EnviroAtlas team about publishing a GIS layer with retail electricity and externality costs on a state by state basis.

I'd be happy to open source the model.  It differs from current studies in that it's the only electricity grid model that includes LCA analysis.  For example, the Machol and Rizk (2013) study finds average U.S. health costs of $0.24/kWh, but they only consider operational emissions.  Considering a lifecycle inventory of emissions and a full spectrum of environmental and health impacts, my model finds an average externality cost of $1.06/kWh for the U.S., which is huge compared to an average retail cost of $0.12/kWh.

Great comments, thank you.

 


Sherman Braithwaite

Dec 18, 2017
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I have seen that happen about 50 times with all the proposals I wrote to the US government. That's a thing to behold? Hey, if I had known that's a thing to behold, I would have done that myself. Oh, embarrassed me, I did. Anyhow, nice to know, just like what happens in the scientific community, you know, stuff like what the DOE do, you send them proposals, and they just pocket the fine change of your work; "Electromagnetism", ha! That's probably easy to guess if you have to choose from only 4 things, and you got lame research technology to use to figure it out. Choosing from 4 things is not exactly rocket science. Well, unless that's what it is.

I guess, just like an economy for space can be created, as fools promote their lame ideas of space travel, with their "5 Newtons" garbage, and, even with all the garbage technology there to use to create that economy, they try. Why would it not be simple enough as well, to try and create another form of economy that's just as bad and lame, as space economy? By the way, there is no such thing as Space Economy. That's just something that started happening because of the many crazy, glory hound folks with crazy connections out there. You literally only have silly rockets. For energy generation, here, I am not too sure about there, the only good thing I ever saw was a disappeared demo of a monopole magnet generator that purred like a rotating monster. Whatever happened to that thing? I have no idea. I am starting to believe it was fake, or I imagined the whole thing. "Clink"; "Clank"; "Whizz". The most I can be is jealous. I just cannot do that for spinning moving machines. There are things far better than those. I don't know man, if someone got a motion machine, sad. Begs the reality of it all, who will be chosen? Look. Just look. Vote and be merry. I am still wondering what's, wrong with humanity? The fact that in-house usages of technology can't happen, is very surprising to me. Also, imagine how many organizations do that already. It's not a mystery. Intellectual Properties are not safe, dah. I simply won't choose another person's pain to write about though. As I cash in on it. What a spirit. I have had that nonsense around me since  the 90s. Since my personal hurt, choose to write about my own pains than other people's. Since all I see is no help there than, explanation.

Whose ideas will be chosen from such an honor? Sounds horrible. Anyhow, good luck.
 


Sherman Braithwaite

Dec 19, 2017
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I have seen that happen about 50 times with all the proposals I wrote to the US government. That's a thing to behold? Hey, if I had known that's a thing to behold, I would have done that myself. Oh, embarrassed me, I did. Anyhow, nice to know, just like what happens in the scientific community, you know, stuff like what the DOE do, you send them proposals, and they just pocket the fine change of your work; "Electromagnetism", ha! That's probably easy to guess if you have to choose from only 4 things, and you got lame research technology to use to figure it out. Choosing from 4 things is not exactly rocket science. Well, unless that's what it is.I guess, just like an economy for space can be created, as fools promote their lame ideas of space travel, with their "5 Newtons" garbage, and, even with all the garbage technology there to use to create that economy, they try. Why would it not be simple enough as well, to try and create another form of economy that's just as bad and lame, as space economy? By the way, there is no such thing as Space Economy. That's just something that started happening because of the many crazy, glory hound folks with crazy connections out there. You literally only have silly rockets. For energy generation, here, I am not too sure about there, the only good thing I ever saw was a disappeared demo of a monopole magnet generator that purred like a rotating monster. Whatever happened to that thing? I have no idea. I am starting to believe it was fake, or I imagined the whole thing. "Clink"; "Clank"; "Whizz". The most I can be is jealous. I just cannot do that for spinning moving machines. There are things far better than those. I don't know man, if someone got a motion machine, sad. Begs the reality of it all, who will be chosen? Look. Just look. Vote and be merry. I am still wondering what's, wrong with humanity? The fact that in-house usages of technology can't happen, is very surprising to me. Also, imagine how many organizations do that already. It's not a mystery. Intellectual Properties are not safe, dah. I simply won't choose another person's pain to write about though. As I cash in on it. What a spirit. I have had that nonsense around me since the 90s. Since my personal hurt, l choose to write about my own pains than other people's. Since all I see is no help there, otherwise than, [exploitation. Whose ideas will be chosen from such an honor? Sounds horrible. Anyhow, good luck. When you snooze you loose I suppose. I worked on my technology for more than 25 years. I got manned out, not knocked out, that is impossible, of the prospect since 2006. The year of green tech. Anyhow, green technology power generation was not my goal. I had plans for space. What a trip this is. P.S., I don't believe in Aliens, and don't look forward on them sharing their tech with humanity.].


Sherman Braithwaite

Dec 19, 2017
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I have seen that happen about 50 times with all the proposals I wrote to the US government. That's a thing to behold? Hey, if I had known that's a thing to behold, I would have done that myself. Oh, embarrassed me, I did. Anyhow, nice to know, just like what happens in the scientific community, you know, stuff like what the DOE do, you send them proposals, and they just pocket the fine change of your work; "Electromagnetism", ha! That's probably easy to guess if you have to choose from only 4 things, and you got lame research technology to use to figure it out. Choosing from 4 things is not exactly rocket science. Well, unless that's what it is.

I guess, just like an economy for space can be created, as fools promote their lame ideas of space travel, with their "[5.4 newtons]" garbage, and, even with all the garbage technology there to use to create that economy, they try. Why would it not be simple enough as well, to try and create another form of economy that's just as bad and lame, as space economy? By the way, there is no such thing as Space Economy. That's just something that started happening because of the many crazy, glory hound folks with crazy connections out there. You literally only have silly rockets. For energy generation, here, I am not too sure about there, the only good thing I ever saw was a disappeared demo of a monopole magnet generator that purred like a rotating monster. Whatever happened to that thing? I have no idea. I am starting to believe it was fake, or I imagined the whole thing. "Clink"; "Clank"; "Whizz". The most I can be is jealous. I just cannot do that for spinning moving machines. There are things far better than those. I don't know man, if someone got a motion machine, sad. Begs the reality of it all, who will be chosen? Look. Just look. Vote and be merry. I am still wondering what's, wrong with humanity? The fact that in-house usages of technology can't happen, is very surprising to me. Also, imagine how many organizations do that already. It's not a mystery. Intellectual Properties are not safe, dah. I simply won't choose another person's pain to write about though. As I cash in on it. What a spirit. I have had that nonsense around me since the 90s. Since my personal hurt, l choose to write about my own pains than other people's. Since all I see is no help there, otherwise than, [exploitation].

Whose ideas will be chosen from such an honor? Sounds horrible. Anyhow, good luck. [When you snooze you loose I suppose. I worked on my technology for more than 25 years. I got manned out, not knocked out, that is impossible, of the prospect since 2006; The year of green tech. Anyhow, green technology power generation was not my goal. I had plans for space. What a trip this is. P.S., I don't believe in Aliens, and don't look forward on them sharing their tech with humanity, and, no Alien technology exists on Earth. I guess we will be backwards for ever, as mounds of folks, give up real research, and search for an easy way out with their selfishness. You know, if I got a chance--Without all of stupid questions asked, and the measly cash awards--to get my stuff out, technology would not suffer. The human race will find many other kinds of research that they can do. If no one knows that about my plans, they truly know nothing about what I am about, even as it's thrown into their faces a thousand times. How then can any good questions be asked from people that know nothing in the first place? Then that's all just about what is a farce. Not a farce on me, a farce on the people asking stupid questions. That has to be true. How can I lie to myself? Sound impossible in my mind].

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