Using Natural Systems Principles to Transition toward a Sustainable Future by dewoldt

This framework is "NIRVANA" and "Ameritopia" which is for sure noble, but nation-states are self serving when it comes to increased growth and polluting the environment (e.g., China). Our noble efforts to reduce USA GHG emissions is offset by polluting country emissions an ocean away (pollutants are carried by prevailing winds and arrive on the Left Coast of the USA). Steady-state cannot be achieved now - too few industrialized countries are committed to GHG reduction, world population is growing exponentially, etc. Financial markets, commodity flows, and legal remedies are not yet in place to achieve this project's noble goals. Thank you for sharing such a vision though. The fundamentals are just.

Dear dewoldt, Thank you for your entry in the global plan contest! Please note that — unlike other Climate CoLab contests -- two central elements of this global contest is for authors to (1) link together proposals from other contests into an integrated plan for the world as a whole, and (2) complete the climate model for their proposal’s impact on climate change and our economic systems. Please revise your proposal to incorporate these two elements, or else your proposal is not likely to be rated highly in this contest. If you wish to submit an idea to the Climate CoLab without including other proposals and how they fit together into a larger vision, we recommend moving your proposal to another contest. Kind regards, Daniel

Our only hope is a turning inside-out of our current dominant paradigm. The Einstein quote is exactly apropos: "We can not solve our problems with the same level of thinking that created them.” ― Albert Einstein

Mr. Ewoldt gives strong and well reasoned rebuttals to any concerns regarding the formalities of this contest at a time when we urgently need to hear proposals like his, hopefully followed by collective support to help kick this paradigm shift into action via systemic change. His proposal is a bold vision to do so at a time when we desperately need solutions. Corporate models are hierarchical and antithetical to democratic practice by design, promoting greed and profit to the benefit of the 1%. Change is in the wind and Mr Ewoldt is full sail ahead demanding cooperation on this planet we all share.

Dear all, I'm very glad to see a proposal on here that is willing to challenge our economic paradigm - I though my own proposal might be the only one. This proposal clearly outlines the shifts we need to make, but I'm not yet fully sure how we get there; we need much more political will and a more collectivist mentality than we have at present (currently the ideological polarization is quite a problem). If you are interested in making changes within economics to support moving in a new direction, please consider checking out my own proposal (two versions), which suggests we lower the social discount rate in order to end short-term exploitation in favor of real sustainability in our decision-making about the future. The sustainability-focused version is here: https://www.climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300210/planId/1309010 And the Intergenerational Justice version is in the Youth Action contest here: https://www.climatecolab.org/web/guest/plans/-/plans/contestId/1300901/planId/1308907 Best regards, Timothy Damon

Hi Tim... as for how we get there, see my reply above to Delton. My take on economics in general is that it is a subset, and not even a major one (or needn't be), of society, which is a subset of the environment. We need to create a social system that is sustainable within the carrying capacity of supportive ecosystems and only then decide what type of economic system can subsist within that system. This pretty much eliminates anything that is self-serving or based in growth. The guiding philosophy of that economic system must be maximizing potential for individuals, society, and the web of life. This means it must be thoroughly grounded in natural systems principles. This means replacing the Enlightenment science of separation and reductionism. Right now we have everything ass-backwards. Fortunately, there are alternatives to the dominant paradigm. We could start the shift to a sustainable future tomorrow, as this part of it is just a story. A new story based on natural systems principles contravenes no known laws of physics or biology--just some ideology that purports to be based on these disciplines. Now, does all this share some commonalities with collectivism? Yeah, some. But it also shares some with the technotopians. And when one considers the bigger picture, it even shares the libertarian goals of freedom, liberty, and opportunity. As I've probably mentioned at least once in this thread, sustainability consists of ecological integrity, social justice, economic equity, and participatory democracy. Justice isn't possible without sustainability, and without justice we'll never have peace.

Something To Consider I have created a white vapor, from gasoline, with twice the power of gasoline, and at the same time I also got a non flammable liquid from the gasoline, by spraying a fine mist of gasoline onto a 600 degree Fahrenheit heater, neither the white vapor, or non flammable liquid, will mix with the gasoline they were created from. I created a flammable gas from distilled water, by spraying a fine mist of distilled water onto a 221 degree Fahrenheit heater. The only thing flammable in water is the hydrogen atom. I feel like I am Galileo trying to convince the Catholic Church that the planets orbit around the sun, only I am fighting against the Chemistry society, to prove that atoms have boiling temperatures inside of liquids, and that by spraying the liquid onto the right temperature you will find these boiling temperatures, and the atoms inside the liquid will separate. Who knows how many new fuels can be created from this, not to mention what it can do for medicine, science, and the environment. We know when heated, a liquid produces a gas. This gas will separate from the liquid, it was created from. We know all liquids have their own boiling temperatures. What if it was possible to take any liquid to any temperature, and just like all liquids, atoms in liquids will have boiling temperatures to. Therefore it would be possible to take liquids to the boiling temperature of atoms inside of those liquids, and like going to the boiling temperature of any liquid. The atoms that boiled would separate from the atoms that didn’t. One atom, or group of atoms will become a gas and the other atom or group of atoms, inside the original liquid, will remain a liquid. Thus you have separated the atoms in that liquid, and at the right applied temperatures, it would be possible to separate the atoms in all liquids. I have a synopsis, all I ask is to read it and decide, if I am right. If you know nothing about Sublimation please look it up on the internet. Sublimation happens to snow when ample amounts of heat is applied to it, of course in explaining Sublimation, the scientist, used an unknown temperature, from a flame, or torch. When a large amount of ample heat is applied to the snow, the snow goes from a solid matter to a gas, without becoming a liquid matter. It is the size of the snowflake’s frozen matter that makes this possible. The snowflakes are extremely small, and they assume the applied temperature faster than the snow can melt, so by going to the applied temperature. The solid matter (snowflakes) bypasses the temperature needed to change to a liquid matter, which is above 32 degrees Fahrenheit, the freezing temperature of water. The snowflakes assume the applied unknown temperature, using the Sublimation effect and snowflakes become a gas, which happens above the 212 degree Fahrenheit temperature, the boiling temperature of water. We all know how long it takes snow to melt, but snowflakes are small and will go to the applied temperature very fast, faster than the snowflakes can become a liquid. Agreed? Sublimation is what science calls it. Using the Sublimation principle and specific temperatures, I replaced the snowflakes with small droplets of liquid, I used specific temperatures, and instead of applying unknown temperature to the liquid, I applied the liquid to the heating element, or heat source, in spray form. I used the same principle, as Sublimation, just a different way of applying the heat. I did this to gasoline and water; it can be done to any liquid. On gasoline I used 600 degrees Fahrenheit, for the heater temperature. Spraying a fine mist of a liquid onto the heat source, at specific temperatures is totally different from Sublimation, and I start with a liquid. I call it my Flashing Liquid Process. I have found a way to take any liquid to any temperature, before it changes state from a liquid matter to a gas. Using my Flashing Liquid process on gasoline at 600 degrees Fahrenheit, I got a white vapor that has twice the power of gasoline. I saw it on two different vehicles and 2 different Dynamometers. The white vapor I produced, had a zero parts per million hydrocarbons reading, this I have seen on a smog analyzer. To further prove what I discovered I put clean dry rags over the vehicle exhaust pipe, running the vehicle on the white vapor, and on all 7 vehicles, I have run the white vapor on, all the rags smelled like they had just been ironed. Some of the vehicles ran for half an hour on, the white vapor, very clean. At the same time the white vapor was created, I also accumulated a non flammable liquid, neither the white vapor, nor the non flammable would mix with the gasoline they were created from, after I Flashed the liquid gasoline. I did my Flashing Liquid Process to distilled water. On water I used between 212 and 230 degrees Fahrenheit. I could not find a temperature control to get the exact temperature. I split the difference between the 212 and 230 temperatures and 221 degrees Fahrenheit has to be the temperature that the hydrogen atom boils inside of distilled water. I found that public water has unspecified amounts of chlorine added. Chlorine influences the boiling temperature of water, so I used distilled water. Distilled water and gasoline are non conductors. You see, I used electric heaters, and thought about shorting out the electrical, when and if, it is used on a conventional or hydrogen powered vehicle. When I sprayed the distilled water onto the heat source at the above mentioned temperatures, I detected, with a combustible gas leak detector, a flammable gas from the vapor I produce. Think about it, the only thing flammable in water, is the hydrogen atom. Hydrogen in water cannot be detected, with a combustible gas leak detector. To get hydrogen from water with temperature, you would have to find the boiling temperature of the hydrogen atom, turning it to a gas, while the oxygen atom, still in liquid matter form, having not been flashed and reached its boiling temperature, remains a liquid. The liquid oxygen atom remains a liquid long enough for the hydrogen atom to become a gas, and separate from the liquid oxygen matter. Of course liquid oxygen boils at, according to one internet source, -368.77 degrees Fahrenheit, below zero, so it will boil as soon as the hydrogen atom separates from the oxygen atom, inside the distilled water. This is Hydrogen from water using the right temperature applied a different way. Science says when atoms separate, a void is created in the original atomic structure, and the void will be filled. Air being present, when my Flashing Liquid Process takes place, the surrounding air fills the void, and oxygen, being in that air, is what turns the vapor I created from gasoline, white. I have seen the bubbles form, and the gas inside the bubbles is clear, until they break, then like magic, when the clear gas is exposed to the air, the clear gas turns white. The oxygen in the surrounding air creates a hotter burning vapor, this is where I get twice the boost in power over gasoline. The liquid that forms the bubbles, that has clear gas inside, is the non flammable liquid that I created when I Flashed the gasoline, at 600 degree Fahrenheit temperature. A Gas Spectrum Analyzer, would add documentation to my synopsis. Prove me wrong, you have the temperature, use an electric fry pan, turned to its highest temperature, which should be around 600 degrees Fahrenheit. Spray a fine mist of gasoline onto the heated surface. Don’t worry, science is wrong about gasoline igniting at 536 degrees Fahrenheit. I have seen a heating element turn a dull red (about 1000 degrees Fahrenheit) before the gasoline auto ignited. The electric fry pan cannot reach that temperature. Analyze the white vapor, and non flammable liquid on a Gas Spectrum Analyzer. I know what I discovered. I will call the white vapor I created from gasoline, Billy Gas. I know its saturation temperature is around 65 degrees. It remains a gas at higher ambient temperature, than 65 degrees Fahrenheit. Find that saturation temperature on the combustible liquids chart. I have 3 videos on You Tube my channel Bill Kendrick, watch them and read the comments, make your own decision. A large mass of heat will be needed to sustain the desired temperature, when the liquid is sprayed onto the heat source, and the droplets need to be as fine as possible, to react to the applied heat faster. Yes I think I found the way to separate the atoms in any liquid with the right temperatures. I say every liquid atom has its own boiling temperature, when my Flashing Liquid Process is applied. Try it and see for yourself. Heat transfer happens first and I say faster than matter can perform a change of state, when the matter applied, is very small. One can take any liquid above its boiling temperature, by doing this. Bill Kendrick

David, I agree with Delton that you propose a vision for a better humankind, but your path is too vague. Organizing locally and building up is not a strategy. Do you envision this being adopted by our currently dysfunctional societal systems, which all seem to have lost their minds? If you are able to create and grow an alternative system that follows your principles and if it is not suppressed by the current system, how do you envision confronting the powers who clearly demonstrate their willingness to annihilate opposition. The only viable path is that the alternative system abandon attempts to transform the old and develop to eventually replace the old, not transform it. I call this Societal Metamorphosis, the first stage being "Organizing-for-Learning=&=Learning-for-Organizing" to uplift the distribution of conceptual/intuitive/performance competencies in most of the global population. The details are there to be discovered in the diverse knowledge of humankind, ready to be synthesized and applied. It can start with a small community of teams. The problem is that this route is currently in a blindspot of most change activists. The resolution of our Crisis-of-Crises must be commensurate with the magnitude/scope/complexity of our Challenge. The law of requisite variety, the second law of cybernetics requires it. Our sick system can't be fixed and it would be foolish to attempt transformation when emerging a nu replacement is much more viable - should we only consider this option. This not an "utopian" proposal. Once you abandon transformation the actions that appear so difficult to take confronting old orders open to reveal many practical solutions. Imagine when our creative energies are not depleted in fighting the many resistances. Creating HUMANITY from humankind, as a societal butterfly emerges from the societal caterpillar, is a grand adventure exciting for all who join the expedition. http://nuet.us/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product GDP remains putty in the political arsenal: scalars per unit of time (velocity) will never result in a useful model of human endeavor. The arithmetic approach is for tax collectors. Vector fields get closer, but acceleration becomes very difficult to manage. Second order differentials require the standard "Usual Simplifying Assumptions", which are subtly engrained in our psyches (apparent in the comments you have received above). Therefore, non-linear dynamics, as you suggest,must be brought into the modeling. Various human economies are currently in chaotic transition states as they move from one strange attractor (The World Bank, etc.)to a new attractor. Discovering the fractal dimensions involved will therefore be quite challenging. Your proposal focuses correctly on the issues involved. Thank you!

Hi Jasminehyman... as I've pointed out to others here, it's hard to get into details when you're limited to 1,000-2,000 characters. I could give a rough outline in about that many words, though. But if you're actually interested (and not just regurgitating the rhetorical point of someone else who has a vested interest), start with the Center for the Advancement of the Steady State Economy (CASSE), The International Society for Ecological Economics, Journal of Ecological Economics, and the Business Alliance of Local Living Economies (BALLE). And don't confuse ecological economics with environmental economics (greening ecocide). A question for you: What proof do you have that anyone outside of ruling elites in the developing world actually wants the insanity that infects the Western industrial world? The advocates of continued growth believe in fairy tales. How can you possibly take them seriously?